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You know, I've been wondering about the Shaggy/Velma relationship in Mystery Incorporated ever since they announced the new episode a couple days ago. What was the point of putting them together if their ultimate objective was simply to break them apart? Its one thing to create drama and tension for a romantic relationship on TV to "break up the monotony" of a steady relationship, but it another to "demonize" the female character (Velma) by turning her into a control freak who doesn't seem appreciate the person she's with for who he is (thanks to some bad advice from Daphene for the most part) and appears to despise the close knit relationship between a man his dog (Shaggy and Scooby).
And the worst thing of it, Shaggy is such a push over about everything until she throws down the ultimatum of "The Dog or Me". I never got why they used the Shaggy/Scooby friendship for the basis of some weird ass love-triangle between the three, let alone why they'd make Scooby against the idea of Shaggy and Velma dating (or maybe I'm looking at that particular angle from the real world perspective, as I'm sure your pet really doesn't give a damn about who you date, so long as you continue to love and care for it. Maybe that's the angle they were aiming for, but it didn't come off that way for me), it gave me pause on more than one occasion.
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Date: 2011-05-07 09:53 pm (UTC)I will try to hold my tongue and watch my foul language but it's utter bullshit. People need to wake up and realize that people DO ship Velma and Shaggy and have since the classic series.
This universe, for its good, this is its glaring horrible unforgivable error. It is not fair that they pimp out Fred/Daphne as destined one true loves that should be together when Velma and Shaggy have more between them. Its clear even in the new movies Cartoon Network makes, "Curse of the Lake Monstwimpedmped out at the last minute but it proved why Shaggy and Velma should be a couple.
It makes me sick to think that these producers finddegradingrating storyline of the Scooby/Shaggy/Velma as a key focus. It's not fair and I wish to God that they one day see our words and our anger and apologize for fucks sake!
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Date: 2011-05-07 11:21 pm (UTC)Well that's disconcerting news and rather wankish of the writers if you ask me. I'd expect to see this kind of behavior on the internet, particularly from folk embroiled in toxic shipwars, but it reminds me of material I read about the writers for the English Dub of Digimon Adventure (One writer declared he wasn't a fan of one character and thus every oppertunity to have the characters knock him more than they did in the Japanese Dub; then there was the situation with two particular relationships which I shall not utter here). Using Scooby as a reason for "why Shagma wouldn't work" is like using Bologna as a reason why Peanut Butter and Jelly aren't meant to be as a sandwich condiment.
And it is rather backward that they champion Fred/Daphene in almost every carnation SD (parody or seriously), but won't even give Shaggy/Velma a chance to shine or find an audience outside of the preexisting group of people who already love it. In retrospect, no one seems to dig the idea of Shaggy or Velma being romantically involved anyone (let alone with each other), as none of their previous romantic affiliations never show up again.
(Or maybe I'm looking this from too much of a "serialized" POV. Scooby Doo was never known for keeping tabs on much besides throwbacks to old monsters.)
They especially don't seem to dig the idea of Velma having a boyfriend at all (Beau (Zombie Island) doesn't show up in any of the other films and that guy from Witch's Ghost was a douche who used her to get that book), so it wouldn't surprise me that the Mystery Inc. crew would end up being against Shelma as well, but would only pimp it out to further their "evidence" as to why the dynamic wouldn't work.
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Date: 2011-05-08 01:26 am (UTC)Well that's disconcerting news and rather wankish of the writers if you ask me. I'd expect to see this kind of behavior on the internet, particularly from folk embroiled in toxic shipwars, but it reminds me of material I read about the writers for the English Dub of Digimon Adventure (One writer declared he wasn't a fan of one character and thus every oppertunity to have the characters knock him more than they did in the Japanese Dub; then there was the situation with two particular relationships which I shall not utter here). Using Scooby as a reason for "why Shagma wouldn't work" is like using Bologna as a reason why Peanut Butter and Jelly aren't meant to be as a sandwich condiment.
Oy vey, Digimon 02. That ending drove me nuts when I saw it as a kid. -_-
Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head. The Mystery Incorporated writers made the same mistake that most amateur fanfic authors make: They rewrote the characters to fit the story they wanted to tell instead of writing a story that fit the characters.
When it became clear that the traditional versions of Shaggy and Velma weren't compatible with this story, the writers warped them until they behaved the way plot said they should. That kind of thing is excusable when a 15-year-old on Fanfiction.net does it; but it's absurd when a paid professional does it.
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Date: 2011-05-09 06:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-07 11:46 pm (UTC)Which interview(s)?
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Date: 2011-05-07 11:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-08 12:59 am (UTC)